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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Alex Steiner on Mon May 30, 2011 1:34 pm

Since when was there a deadline?

Why Monday?

I thought is was 5 day weeks, and since the first one wasn't a full week, we'd go to this Friday.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by The King of Eggs on Mon May 30, 2011 1:37 pm

THE DEADLINE IS CLEARLY STATED IN THE OPENING POST ALEX



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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by The King of Eggs on Mon May 30, 2011 1:38 pm

WE STARTED ON A TUES


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Reverse Simplicity on Mon May 30, 2011 1:42 pm

In a hurry Eggs? I mean we have the newbie who doesn't post a lot, let alone we do not want to rush him.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Alex Steiner on Mon May 30, 2011 2:26 pm

I just scrolled to the bottom and clicked agree. Do you think I read these things?

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Edit: *"whose" FTFY

Yours, for making it boring. Why aren't we just replying? Editing is so messy.



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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Sid_The_Kid on Mon May 30, 2011 2:33 pm

true alex that it would be in the scums best interest, in this case, to get on the wagon .....
although ... so far ;
* Alex has asked how we plan to catch scum out....
> ploy to increase chance to hide OR serious question
* townie not fearing the lynch
> sure , there's no night kill but what if this gets down to a 2 v 1
> the scum will just "pick a side" of the townie
> end up with a townie v townie and scum
* the band wagon theory
> the effectiveness of this approach is highly limited as all players
must vote, town or scum, thus all players must be on the bandwagon
before a lynch is verified
* Overall
> what makes Reverse and Supreme so sure
that Alex is scum

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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by The King of Eggs on Mon May 30, 2011 2:36 pm

Alex: Do not blame me for your inability to freaking read


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Alex Steiner on Mon May 30, 2011 2:39 pm

It's not an inability to read, it's a lack of motivation.

I did skim it.

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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by The King of Eggs on Mon May 30, 2011 2:42 pm

"whose fault is it... yours, for making it boring..."
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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Reverse Simplicity on Mon May 30, 2011 2:43 pm

Sid, try to think of what you would do if you where scum. (Or, as you play more, things you have learned not to do as scum) Then catch others doing that thing.

Alex has played a number of games with each of us, and for him to ask about the basis for mafia (How do you catch scum?) I can see that as a possible scum move.

Plus the chances of mafia being first lynch are small. And since it is "Day 1" I really can't say for sure that Alex is the scum here. However from his death we get an anchor. How did people react to the previous day events and how did people jump on the wagon?


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Alex Steiner on Mon May 30, 2011 2:51 pm

The King of Eggs wrote:"whose fault is it... yours, for making it boring..."
-.-
You took this seriously? Huh.

I'm liking the thoughts Sid's putting into this (even if the formatting leaves something to be desired).

Reverse, try not to get too caught up in Day1 wine and meta (the nomenclature is coming back to me now). What are your thoughts on the other two's actions?

Overlord isn't going to get on, so how does voting work? If we were to all change votes, leaving only one on me, who gets lynched?


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Reverse Simplicity on Mon May 30, 2011 2:56 pm

CONTRATULATIONS TKOE! 500 posts!

Anyways. So far Sid has lurked a lot.

And SO has lurked and agreed with me a lot...


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Sid_The_Kid on Mon May 30, 2011 3:02 pm

thanks for the advice ....
this game is mainly about experience (the skill i lack)
and true reactions would be the a good indicator of someones stance ....
and even if alex is town that still leaves 2 town to rat out the scum.....
so.... unvote;vote:Alex
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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Alex Steiner on Mon May 30, 2011 3:05 pm

So I'm dead...


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by The King of Eggs on Mon May 30, 2011 3:06 pm

CYCLE 1 HAS BEEN COMPLETED:

RESULT: ALEX STEINER LYNCHED.
HE WAS TOWN: CYCLE 2 COMMENCES UPON POSTING.

THE NEW DEADLINE IS 6TH OF JUNE.

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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Supreme Overlord on Tue May 31, 2011 2:09 am

OK, no one votes (a town on town will let the mafia jump on and win).
I'm looking at Reverse now; I liked Sid's post full of reasons, and how he didn't hammer Alex immediately.
Reverse's post where he voted Alex seems very strong for an initial vote; 'I cannot think of another reason why you would ask that question'; Reverse, how do you read that in hindsight?


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Reverse Simplicity on Tue May 31, 2011 5:02 am

I still don't understand why Alex would be asking that question... I read it as scummy.

Sid has not done anything I can see as scummy, even though I am try really hard. He was the hammer however he made his post and waited to not long before deadline.

SO, was your reason really legitimate enough for a vote? It doesn't seem that discussing game mechanics is scummy. And did you even consider his response?

Supreme Overlord wrote:Alex, how do you plan on identifying the Mafia? Or do you just expect me to do it for you?
Here you ask the same question I found scummy in AS, then you make out like you are on the same side, later you vote for him.

Supreme Overlord wrote:OK, no one votes
After failing to lead Alex, and then you jump on the band wagon against him, now you are trying to lead the town to wait until you make your case.

Vote:Supreme Overlord For jumping on band wagons without real reason, and leading the town.

Sid, please make your case before voting.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Supreme Overlord on Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:32 am

Vote: Reverse Simplicity <-- only sane action. Either Sid is scum, and has won anyway with your vote on me (in which case he won't bother making a case), or RS is scum and Sid needs my vote to lynch him.

Sid, yes has not done anything much, and therefore nothing scummy. It's moot now; he's got the hammer so the game's up to him, thanks to your vote. Why so quick to throw out a vote in LyLo? Why not wait for Sid to come around and draw better conclusions?

I originally responded to Alex's question with my strategy being to get people to L-1 and go from there. My vote for Alex was for that purpose; short deadlines didn't help in this instance.

I asked Alex that question after I answered it; showing I already had a response (as evidenced by 'or just expect me do it for you'). I was showing suspicion of the question in my own, not-as-convinced way; by turning it back on him with a hint of accusation.

You've played with Alex before, Reverse; you know he's often uncommitted, and asking questions rather than doing something isn't out of character, especially in the early game. I was trying to coax some hard stances out of him; you simply declared him scum.

I'll ask again, why throw out the vote so soon? Why are you so convinced? Why not wait for Sid to come around? Or are you happy with lynching either one of us, but thought that Sid would be easier to manipulate?

Sid, don't just vote, ask us any questions you have, read over our posts and decide from there. There's no rush.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Reverse Simplicity on Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:25 am

I was hoping sid would have posted by now... I will just reply to SO then.

I threw out a vote for a similar reason you just voted me. Sid would have to do nothing short of claiming scum for me to be convinced of it at this point.

You however still jumped on the wagon and did not remove your vote when no one hammered. Even though your strategy was to go to L-1 see if there was a hammer then take it off. Unsure of the rules but could you not have voted "no vote" to get us past day1?

I guess I can see the suspicion now, I have found him to be about as committed as myself when it comes to playing.

You are just as convinced as I am. When I have such a high chance of someone being scum over someone else of course I am going to vote.

So far it is just you and me SO there really is not going to be that much discussion when day2 is already half way through and we have 3 posts.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Supreme Overlord on Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:15 am

I threw out a vote for a similar reason you just voted me. Sid would have to do nothing short of claiming scum for me to be convinced of it at this point.
Except that I voted in response to your vote. You could have waited for Sid to at least post a reaction to the lynch. Why again are you so 100% sure Sid's town?

You however still jumped on the wagon and did not remove your vote when no one hammered. Even though your strategy was to go to L-1 see if there was a hammer then take it off. Unsure of the rules but could you not have voted "no vote" to get us past day1?
Why would I unvote when no one hammered? My strategy was to use the threat of a hammer to get Alex (in this case) to talk. Not to get someone to L-1 to see if there was a hammer. Plus, getting past day one wouldn't have been of any benefit; since Mafia have no kills a no-lynch day 2 is exactly the same as day 1.

You are just as convinced as I am. When I have such a high chance of someone being scum over someone else of course I am going to vote.
The difference is, my conviction comes after the possibly suicidal LyLo vote. You might yet be town. But that means Sid's scum, and it's game over anyway. From my point of view, I might as well get you (probably scum) lynched over myself (certainly town), which involves convincing Sid.

So far it is just you and me SO there really is not going to be that much discussion when day2 is already half way through and we have 3 posts.
Well, we can at least generate enough content for Sid to make an informed decision.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Reverse Simplicity on Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:27 pm

"I might as well get you (probably scum) lynched over myself (certainly town)"

Really? Using the I AM TOWN argument? after making the scum slips day 1 your using that to recover?

I voted because thats what I thought needed to be done. The town needs to win, and I am hoping Sid is town (He has been on) so I get to assume that his lack of hammer on either of us means he is not scum.

That leaves you, I have already pointed out what made me sure that you are scum.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Supreme Overlord on Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:48 am

"I might as well get you (probably scum) lynched over myself (certainly town)"

Really? Using the I AM TOWN argument? after making the scum slips day 1 your using that to recover?
You may have noticed that 'From my point of view' prefacing that statement. It's the reason why I voted you, not the reason you're scummy. You're mainly scummy for throwing out that first vote..

Reverse, I'm wondering why you're directing your comments at me, rather than at Sid. There's no way you're going to convince me that you're more town than Sid, at this point (what with us having crossvoted and Sid apparently being on).


Sid, can you give us an idea of what you're thinking? Ask us some specific questions if necessary.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Reverse Simplicity on Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:49 am

Supreme Overlord wrote:Reverse, I'm wondering why you're directing your comments at me, rather than at Sid. There's no way you're going to convince me that you're more town than Sid, at this point (what with us having crossvoted and Sid apparently being on).
Hard to explain, I find it more or less difficult to talk to people depending on the situation. There are graphs and complex equations that go with it that don't make sense even to a psychologist I saw once.

When Sid posts the game will probably be over. And if not it is pretty much down to his vote. Either he is scum and he wins either way, or the one he doesn't vote for wins.

If he does not hammer when he posts then there is no reason to change vote...

Ya know what you are right SO unvote: SO I would hate to lose just because I miss judged scum twice in one game.


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Supreme Overlord on Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:40 pm

Unvote

Sid, I won't be back until Monday, so you've got all weekend to read through and tell us you're thoughts (and you have to now; too bad if you're Mafia and missed your chance!)


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Re: FiLlEr Mafia

Post by Sid_The_Kid on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:28 pm

oi mod wheres my prod .....
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